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Question:
Hello, I just got a 5 month old stud colt. I already have
two 7 year old geldings. When can I start putting them all
together? We tried once and the little stud colt was not scared
of the other two horses but it was getting kicked and we seperated
them. Thanks! Chatty
Answer:
Hello, I would recommend that you create a small paddock in
the pasture with the two geldings and put the baby in that
for a week. That way the geldings can get to know the baby
and communicate their dominance over him without damaging
him. After about a week of side/by/side living I would take
out the more dominant gelding and let the baby out with the
other gelding for several hours (not during feeding time as
that is when horses are at their most aggressive). When they
seem fairly calm then reintroduce the dominant gelding to
the group. I would also remove the back shoes of the older
geldings so if they do get in a kick the chances for serious
damage are minimized. There will still be a little bit of
fireworks when you let the baby in freely with the geldings
but it will be much less violent and for a shorter duration.
If you are not gelding the colt then you'll need to probably
remove him from the geldings as he starts to mature since
he'll start trying to move up in the dominance ranks and stallions
"fight for real" and can actually keep at it till they kill
the other horse. Good luck and let me know how it turns out.
Amber
Followup
Question: Hello Amber, We started to put one gelding (not
the dominate one) with the colt and he tryed to make his move.
The colt always ran over by the dominate gelding (he was locked
in a paddock at the time). We then switched the geldings and
the dominate one is taking care of the colt. We let out the
nondominate gelding and the dominate one kind of was guarding
the colt. We had the colt for 3 days now and the nondominate
gelding is locked in a paddock because he still bites the
colt. Will the nondominate one get better? Do you know if
we are doing something wrong? Thanks for your help! Mandi
Answer:
Dominance is not just the top horse - the pecking order applies
to the other horses too. From what you describe it seems to
me that the colt has recognized and accepted the dominate
horse's place. Now your other gelding is trying to establish
to the colt that he's second in the pecking order. You don't
say how the colt was raised before you got him - if he was
raised just with his dam and not around other horses then
he might be confused on herd dynamics. You also don't say
how long you let the 2nd gelding and the baby be together
before separating them - was it for a hour or a day. If it
was a day or two and the biting and kicking were still occurring
then you might not beable to keep them together until the
baby is big enough to defend himself. If it was for just a
couple hours then I would let them work it out themselves
- as long as the damage to the baby is superficial i.e. nicks,
minor bruises, loss of hair, etc. Just make sure that they
are in a big enough pasture that the baby cannot get trapped.
Once the baby understands that the 2nd gelding gets to push
him around also then they should start getting along better.
Amber
Followup
Question: I know when we got the colt that he was around
other breeds of horses, but he was in one pen with his father
and two goats. Other then that, I don't know how else he was
raised. I think he was fed and locked in the barn at night,
fed and let out in the morning. We kept the nondominate gelding
with the colt for about 30 min. If we would have left or kept
them both together, the nondom. gelding would have ran the
baby colt to death, biting a LOT, and sometimes kicking him.
He also ran the colt up against the fence because he was biting
him. We have a big enough pasture, it is 3 acres So should
we just keep all 3 horses together? I know all they are going
to do is run that colt and I don't know if they will stop.
Mandi
Answer:
Hi Mandi,
It's hard to judge the true severity of the nondominate gelding's
attacks from your description. Horses can put on quite a show
with each other and not inflict serious damage. Also mature
horses are usually very aware of young horses and pull their
punches accordingly. I'm curious as to how the gelding keeps
getting close enough to the colt for all of the biting and
kicking? young horses are about as fast as the mature horses
so he should be able to get away - if he is not moving away
then he is ignoring or doesn't understand the geldings "signals"
which say I'm dominate move! Therefore the gelding escalates
the signal to biting and kicking. How food centric is the
nondominate gelding? If he is a horse that is very focused
on food you could put out feed in three separate corners of
the pasture and then let them all out together. The food might
distract the nondominate gelding some and give him a specific
item to be protectful of and get his point across. I would
put them all together and let them sort it out and only interfere
if the baby is cornered and can't get away. If the baby is
choosing to not get away then this is a fast and hard lesson
for him on herd dynamics and he has to learn sometime. But
only do this if the nondominate gelding is exerting dominance
(even if a bit roughly) and not trying to actually kill the
baby. Amber -----
Update:
We put all of the horses together yesterday (the 3rd) and
they are being a LOT better now! Thank you for all your help.
This is our first baby horse so we were kind of confused on
what to do. Thanks again Amber!
Mandi
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